The simple question I asked him about 2 weeks ago was “What is the history of TRIZ?”.Dmitry replied, “I am sending you a bunch of links, where I have attempted to answer the exact same question that everybody asks me on a routine basis.”
So the following is an excerpt of what Dmitry sent me.
TRIZ: A Few Words about the History (1) (3:52)
TRIZ: A Few Words about the History (2) (4:45)
TRIZ: A Few Words about the History (3) (5:30)
The slides used in the previous presentation are given below in this link.
Bala Ramadurai, Murali Loganathan, Prakasan Kappoth and Shankar Venugopal discuss “thinking out of the box” and “big picture thinking” citing examples of BMW, software development, dispensing cash on the third podcast of the series.
Bala Ramadurai, Murali Loganathan, Prakasan Kappoth and Shankar Venugopal discuss “thinking out of the box” and “big picture thinking” citing examples of BMW, software development, dispensing cash on the third podcast of the series.
Murali Loganathan, 4 years TRIZ practitioner, across industries in MindTree
Podcast series in TRIZ tools
This is the 1st podcast on Ideal Final Result
Father of TRIZ – Altshuller
value addition linked to Ideal Final Result (IFR)
What is your experience with IFR?
Shankar says – Challenge – mode of thinking into ideality – common way of thinking is on constraints – ideality is implementation free
Murali says – break psychological inertia (PI) – PI comes in the way of ideation. Think backwards in time – put constraints in the back. Vision and mission brings grandiose picture. Thinking backward in time, one cannot lie.
Bala quotes Murali – cannot lie backward in time
Freeland – no harm, only benefits – Wonderland with only benefits – problem already solved. Psychologists have proved that lying is difficult backward in time
Shankar – SCAMPER – M – maximize/minimize
2 steps – what should be maximized or minimized? zero cost – barrier to thinking
Murali – Isak Burkhman – nothing ideal or final about IFR. Free, perfect, now – ideal definition for IFR. Use metaphors – Wonderland is a better metaphor than IFR. Result = Process = goes forward in time.
Heaven or Wonderland – popular interface
Bala – Example – Altshuller – coolant leakage – usual way is trial and error. What if coolant is Cindrella? Cindrella shouts out “Here I am”. How do you make Cindrella is visible? Turn off the lights. Then solution – Coolant needs to be colour emitting and says “Hi, I am here”. Ideal coolant or ideal way to leak? 🙂
Murali – Free transport – A to B? marketing campaigns lets you go from A to B for a cause – global warming, travelogue writing – have fun for free.
Shankar – Why fly? find out the reason for flying. IFR + 5 whys gives a stronger solution. Fundamental problem identified and can arrive at solution.
Bala – CISCO cashed in on financial meltdown when corporates were slashing down prices – different domain, different solution
Alternate use of IFR – visioning. What should my team be doing in 2014, say? who are my customers? what is their IFR? work your way backwards and write down what your team should be doing now to meet that.
Murali – customer, customer’s customer, supplier – all of their IFRs are different. There could be conflicts or contradictions in each others’ IFR. How does one solve this?
Bala – No compromise. AND is essential. customer wins AND Supplier wins. Inventive principles can help out here. First figure out IFR for all parties and solve the clash
Shankar adds – clashes are going to be standard practice.
Bala – IFR + 9-windows can be combined. 9-windows spread in time and space. Mouse – system, stuff around it – phone, laptop, screen – supersystem. Subsystem – hardware wheel, software, components. All these things back in time and forward in time, what were they? You have 9-windows. System evolves from trackpad, mouse, touchscreen – moves towards to an IFR. All systems/components move toward IFR.
Murali comments on Worst Final Result (WFR) –
Heaven: IFR = Hell: WFR.
You find out where systems can go wrong and fix it before things go drastically wrong
Shankar – take a pen and design a non-working pen and reverse to get a good pen.
Murali – IFR in groups – difficult to think of completely ideal future without accidents or lucky breaks (events). Publishing industry – internet was an accident for publishing. IFR needs an accident or break. electricity and other fundamental innovations can change course of other innovation
Shankar – Accident can be looked at as an enabler. Author – IFR – should be able to write a book and reach the audience instantly. Reader – read and access books instantly. Internet came in and enabled this. IFR can really help and accidents can be handled or enabled
Bala – Luckily, internet happened. George Lucas, starwars, was way ahead of his time in terms of graphics. Graphics and sound effects in the ’70s sucked. He later remastered the Starwars series when technology was available
Shankar – do IFR for everyday objects around yourself before jumping to applying to your tech problems. Make yourself at ease
Murali – Add “Self” as a prefix to make anything ideal. That is the way to get an IFR
Bala – take something that you care about and apply IFR for permanent change
See you next time on TRIZ podcast series from TRIZIndia.org
Dr. Ellen Domb, Prakasan Kappoth, Murali Loganathan and Bala Ramadurai discuss the finer aspects of TRIZ. A continuation from http://www.archive.org/details/WhatInTheWorldIsTrizPart1. The participants discuss about system evolution, system operators, creative problem solving, internal vs external consultant. . http://www.trizindia.org
What is TRIZ? What does it take to start learning TRIZ and master the method? Listen to 3 people – Dr. Ellen Domb, Prakasan Kappoth and Bala Ramadurai, talk about the basics of the method. http://www.trizindia.org
TRIZ is the most important invention of 20th Century. But it has not yet become and innovation (invention + Money) in India.
What are the challenges in India for implementing TRIZ.
1. Lack of patriotism on Indians
2. Brain Drain
3. Chaturvarnyam – Means dividing the people as 4 categories a. rahmins (Who perform rituals for pleasing God) b. Warriors c. Traders d. Downroden who perform all the trades.
4. Drug addiction including cigarette, charas, ganja, liquor
I was reading about battery as one of the key barriers for mobile technology evolution. The capacity of battery has increased only 2 times in last 10 years whereas processing speed has gone 12 folds up. Here is a graph I came across showing Battery evolution with time.
I am just wondering, what is actually changing over time. Does it follow the TRIZ laws of technology evolution? At least two major trends I know
1. Increasing Contrability and Dynamics
2. Moving from MACRO to micro (Field changes from Mechanical –>Thermal –>Pneumatic /Hydraulic–>Chemical –> Electrical–> Electromagnetic)
Apparently I am not able to link the battery trend with evolution priciples. Your views will help to bring more insights.
System Operator aka 9 windows is very popular in TRIZ tools specifically for problem definition and trending. I always had trouble in finding what is the system in the middle that we are talking about. I think I got the block primarily from the example that was used to teach 9 windows many years ago which had a ‘tree’ in the middle and all sorts of super system, past and future imaginations written around it.
But is ‘tree’ a system?
and can I put anything in the middle and construct the rest of the eight windows?
It just did not feel right to imagine it that way even if it did remove some psychological inertia, and helped you imagine stuff by space/time boxing yourself. To go further and beyond how you are applying 9 windows, I will introduce 2 useful concepts that will help you figure what this system is
Tool/Product: Tool, in order to deliver the most useful function, changes the state of a product and can contain elements.
Most Useful Function: Primary utility that gives a human purpose to the tool and product
One of the better examples I have historically used is “Withdrawing money from an ATM”. Both the tool and function are clear and it is worthwhile putting it in the center. Building on further, you can easily identify both what is inside the ATM and around it quickly, again identifying each elements’ function and operating zone in space and time.
ARIZ goes another level deeper to template the definition, as below “The technical system for __utility__ includes __elements__. Tool directly interacts with the product and products need to be changing its state (e.g. processed)”
It is easy to put yourself, your company, a really complex system architecture, vague frameworks and the like in the middle of the 9 windows, but really it will not help much in your innovation effort.
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